We could bring you to your knees: Musharraf

Hmm this guy gone mad? well only few days ago he said that he only supported the “War on Terror” because he got scared of US bombing, now he is saying he can bring west and US on their knees…quite funny ……..Mr.Musharraf first learn how to stand by yourself then think of bring down anyone to their knees, especially when you are on your knees…..

Remember famous quote you said only few days ago?

 “we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age”

 LONDON: General Musharraf has mixed rank self-righteousness with a remarkably stark warning to the West that it could be ‘brought to its knees’ if Pakistan withdraws its cooperation in the so-called war on terror. Launching a fierce and finger-wagging attack on the West’s growing doubts about Pakistan’s role in fighting Islamist terrorism, Musharraf said the US and UK had to understand Pakistan is the West’s “main ally…If we were not with you, you won’t manage anything”. In his strongest warning ever on the issue, Musharraf declared, “You’ll be brought down to your knees if Pakistan doesn’t co-operate with you. That is all that I would like to say. Pakistan is the main ally. If we were not with you, you won’t manage anything. Let that be clear. And if ISI is not with you, you will fail.”

Update: Pakistan ‘role in Mumbai attacks’

11 Pakistanis, 7 locals executed Mumbai terror plot, says police

The operation had the stamp of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence and was executed with the help of Pak-based terrorist outfits Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed.

Pakistan ‘role in Mumbai attacks’

Nothing new, what anyone expect from Terrorist state who has alwasy supported terrorism.

Pakistan’s intelligence agency was behind the train blasts in Mumbai in July that killed 186 people, Indian police have said. The attacks were planned by the ISI and carried out by the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba, based in Pakistan, Mumbai’s police chief said.

AN Roy said the Students’ Islamic Movement of India had also assisted.

Pakistan rejected the allegations and said India had given no evidence of Pakistani involvement in the attacks.

“We have solved the 11 July bombings case. The whole attack was planned by Pakistan’s ISI and carried out by Lashkar-e-Toiba and their operatives in India,” AN Roy, Mumbai’s police chief, told a news conference.

Mr Roy said 15 people had been arrested

Islam, Radicalism and Government Foreign Policy

In response to this article published on blogcritics.org Islam, Radicalism and Government Foreign Policy by Jamal….

We can’t expect Muslims in Britain not to react when Britain invades Muslim countries and kills thousands of Muslims. British foreign policy also unequivocally supports USA and Israel in continuous actions of bloodshed and slaughter on a mass scale. Meanwhile back in Britainthere’s the police’s heavy handed tactics in dealing with innocent Muslims, as well as the inherent islamophobic undertones that pervade British society.

So here is question for you Mr.Jamal, how many Muslims reacted in Pakistanwhen Musharraf and his army killed many people in Wazirestan and other North Provience? Did anyone bomb Islamabad for this? Did any body kills or attacked government buildings or any innocents in Islamabad for this? Nopeso don’t talk rubbish about reaction. If we look to some countries (especially Islamic countries) and see how people get treated in their democracy specially minorities I am sure people will be shocked to know about it. Most of British Muslim is saying as you also saying that they are not happy with the policies of government, ok fair enough but you don’t bomb the whole country because you not happy with few elected members of parliaments and their decision. Did Christians or any other religion other than Muslim bomb the places because of their own country policies?

While I do not ignore that the atrocities of 9/11 and 7/7 has impacted upon the scrutiny of Muslims in Europe, this is no reason for Muslims in Italy to be refused mosques, or the marginalisation of Muslims in Germany and Moscow, or the discontent of Muslims in France after the riots which was no fault of their own, nor the level of disadvantage received by those in Britain amidst claims that they’ve turned London into an epicentre of Islamic militancy.

Mr.Jamal I guess you don’t understand how the planning communions policy works and second when government refuse mosques or temples it’s not because they are marginalizing any particular faith, its because of secure secular and democratic society. Like mostly Muslims get offended by simple joke take for e.g. recently Mozart opera has been cancelled because producer and director got scared that it might offend Muslims people, so in same way many other religions might also get offended by having mosques in their community. Tell me how many Islamic countries allow Temples, Churches? None you cant even take Bible or Gita as its can be terms criminal offence in some Islamic country. So think in broader sense by taking full picture in your mind. Don’t be so pathetic.

The answer is in the fact that Britain has a history of creating moral panics which encourage the nation to fear various groups within youth cultures, just as specific groups of teens in America have been feared in previous and current eras. I don’t know what makes a well-off, middle-class Muslim teenager in Britain strap on a bomb, any more than you know why a well-off, middle-class Christian teenager in
America shoots his school friends. Although we are constantly warned of the threat we face from these individuals, we must remember that generalising an entire group to create a moral panic is not always warranted, productive, or even correct.

Government doesn’t want to generalize entire group or one faith, but you should also understand that threat from one group is much higher than any other groups. I don’t consider Muslims or Islam as Terrorist nor I treat every Muslims as terrorist but unfortunate things all terrorist were Muslims, so take it in this way not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorist were Muslims. So of course governments have to keep a close eye on Muslims youth to make society more secure and better for every one. That’s is the reason government is trying to send out the message to parents asking them keep an eye on their kids so that these vulnerable kids and youths don’t get in wrong hands, nothing wrong it.

Some call for the ‘Moderate Muslims’ to speak against those that complain about anything fundamentally Western who are then labelled as ‘Radical’ or ‘Fanatical’. If Muslims complain with reference to Islam they are then labelled ‘Extremist’. If Muslims hang with Muslims, pray 5 times a day and refer to the Shariah in public they are then labelled ‘Fundamentalists’. If they protest against the Iraq war or the occupation of Palestine they are then labelled ‘Islamists’. If they attended a Mosque and unknowingly prayed next to anybody that had links to fighters from Palestine, Iraq or Afghanistanthey are then labelled ‘Jihadists’. The fact is that here is no such thing as a ‘Moderate Muslim’, as this is a term coined to define divides between differing reports of Muslim behaviour. We all follow the fundamentals and there should be nothing extreme about what we do nor do we take anything to an extreme. We are all ‘Islamists’: a believer or follower of Islam (dictionary definition) and most of all – we are all moderate because Islam is a moderate way of life, balanced to make life easier for us by doing that which is right. Those that perpetuate violence, terror, injustice and oppression, are not behaving Islamically.

No body labeled any Muslims as fanatic or extremist, till they don’t bring religion in every way of life. Take a recent example Muslims organization demanded special treatment from government and they said in this following article that “’If you give us religious rights, we will be in a better position to convince young people that they are being treated equally along with other citizens.”


They asked let them implement Sharia Law for their family matters, which is extremism why the hell a non Islamic country, with his own constitution will allow any other law which can threaten the main entity of country “Constitution”? When you live in democratic country you are abide to follow main constitution law, you can’t make your own laws nor can government give any particular faith to practice their own religious law which can challenge the main entity of democratic country “Constitution”.

At this point what we need is proper debate about this issue, government should do bit more to help these young Muslims to understand how our policies works. We should bring some really intellectual and scholars who understand a lot more about Holy Quran ( not the one who comes in Sharia TV, they bloody don’t agree with each other statements) to tell these people, what Quran says, and help the government to let these people know about UK governments policies and issues. They must understand it is not possible for any government in the world to make happy every one happy at same time. Because it’s democratic government so they go according to simple rule, majority wins. And government policies doesn’t change by terrorist threats, you can’t bow your heads in front of terrorist and criminals.

Muslims leaders should come forward and give proper statements and assure these young and vulnerable people, that government and normal public of this country is with them, they are not isolated and neglected. We need proper Muslims scholars (not moderate or extremists Muslims) to do this job.

Make this country, more safe and secure.

Pakistan will learn how to run Madarsa from India….

And its true, Pakistan government has requested Indian State West Bengal government share the secret of their success Madarsa. So hoping that they do use West Bengal progressive model of Madarsa to change the image of Pakistan Extremist Madarsas, only time will tell…..

New Delhi, September 21: A ‘socialist society,’ enrolment of girls, professional management, sufficient funds_here are some tips on madarsa reforms from the West Bengal Government to Pakistan.

Pakistan wanted the West Bengal Government to “share” the details of its success (12 per cent of the students in madarsas in the state are non-Muslims) in madarsa education to dispel the “negative impression” that these institutions are the “breeding ground” for terrorism. The state government’s reply, detailing the madarsa model, has been sent to the Ministry of External Affairs to be passed on to Pakistan.

The West Bengal Government says that the “socialist nature of the society”, where children from non-Muslim communities too attend madarsas, is one of the reasons for its success. The appointment of teachers are done through the Schools Service Commission, the government agency that hires teachers for secondary and higher secondary-level schools across the state, to ensure that there is no dilution of quality. “We just say while advertising for the posts for madarsa teachers that teachers should have knowledge of Islam and its culture,” explains Abdul Sattar, West Bengal’s Minister of State, Minorities Development & Welfare and Madarsa Education.

Under scan, Gujarat madrasas to tell govt: let cops screen admissions

Not a bad idea, I am sure this sort measures will help country to get rid of some extremist. Appreciate the efforts of Gujarat Madrasas….

VADODARA, SEPTEMBER 28: With madrasas under the scanner again after the arrest of two former students of a Bharuch seminary, the Gujarat Federation of Madrasas has decided to do a rethink on admission policy and procedure, especially of Kashmiri students.

After the Ramzan holidays end and before the new session begins, the seminaries also plan to draw up stricter guidelines — among them will be an all-clear from Gujarat police before a student is admitted.

Two former students of Kantharia Darul-uloom in Bharuch — Ilyas Memon and Siraj Ansari — were picked up after a Lashkar sleeper cell was busted in Ahmedabad recently. A few Kashmiri students were also detained for questioning by investigation agencies which is why the seminary is mulling a ban on Kashmiri students.

Gujarat is presently home to 75 Darul-ulooms with boarding facilities. Twenty-six of them offer higher education, with research doctoral courses in Islamic studies. While madrasas are spread across the state, most are concentrated in South Gujarat, especially Bharuch.

Abdul Haq, one of the trustees of Kantharia Darul-uloom, admitted that there were incidents where ex-students were found involved in militant activity. “It is a sad fact. We are, therefore, thinking of barring admissions to Kashmiri students from the new academic session,” said Haq, adding “but it is a discriminatory decision, students are also not happy about it.”

Extremist Islam May Be Rising in Morocco

Well Extremist is on rise every part of world but sad part is our government doesn’t care.

RABAT, Morocco (AP) — Little would seem to connect a soldier, a shopkeeper, airline pilots’ wives and a woman known for helping people in need. But all have been named as suspects in a purported Islamic terrorist plot, suggesting extremism may be leaping Morocco’s class divides.

In all, Moroccan authorities arrested 56 people last month for allegedly being part of a network that was planning attacks on military and tourist sites in hopes of bringing down the government of this North African monarchy.

Since the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States and suicide bombings two years later that killed 33 people in Casablanca, this country’s economic capital, Moroccans have grown accustomed to police crackdowns on Islamic militants.

Thousands have been detained, drawing frequent accusations of abuse and forced confessions at the hands of police.

What’s new in the latest case is the wide range of people accused. Middle-class women and security force members allegedly formed the core of a group that authorities say called itself Ansar al-Mehdi, or Supporters of the Mehdi – a divine figure in Islamic tradition who will establish justice on Earth before Judgment Day.