Non-Muslims ‘must wear hijab’


“I can’t see why if a student wears a headscarf it should be an issue. It’s the same as a shirt or tie — it’s just part of our uniform.” So Hijab doesn’t have any religious relation? Its just a dress nothing to do with any religion or your religious tradition?

NON-Muslim English girls will be ordered to wear headscarves at a new Islamic school.Madani High School in Leicester will take ten per cent of its pupils from other faiths — but insists all must cover their heads.

Headteachers ruled the hijab scarf is part of the uniform.

Assistant principal Zainab Elgaziari said the demand was not a problem despite the row over Muslim women’s veils.

He said: “I can’t see why if a student wears a headscarf it should be an issue. It’s the same as a shirt or tie — it’s just part of our uniform.”

Leicester City Council said it did not believe the scarves would deter non-Muslim parents from sending children to the school, which opens next September.

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36 Comments

  1. That is so stupid. Why should girls from other religions wear the hijab? They might rule the headdress as part of the uniform, but isn’t it easy to see through it? They’re slowly trying to spread Islam. It happened in the Pakistan cricket team, where a Christian player was forced to convert to Islam. Check it out.

  2. Why would girls from other religions go to an Islamic School. Would a muslim going to a Christian/Hindu school complian about their religious practices.

    We are not trying to spread Islam, We ARE spreading it. Alhamdulliah. Allah is helping us at it. Islam is the fastest growing religion.

    How do you say that Mohammad Yusuf was forced into Islam. What you are refering to is a clear cut anti-islamic source. Can you provide some angnostic news source which says he was forced to do so.

    And they are clear cut wrong when they say he is the first non muslim to represent Pak. First one was some Hindu wicket keeper(forgot his name) in 1970s. BTW, where does that article say that he was forced.

  3. @Nazim

    yes they do complain, look at France, Beligum, Germany…and even in UK, Last year Christian school refused a girl entering in school becuase she was wearing hijab, so school authority refused her entry and given her warning that in school you not allowed to wear religious symbol. What happen after that its a joke, all Muslims organisation start shouting and complaining. Why? School is school its not religous temple or mosque or church. Second this school authority is its ““I can’t see why if a student wears a headscarf it should be an issue. It’s the same as a shirt or tie — it’s just part of our uniform.””

    So by this mean Hijab is not religious symbol its just dress? right? You cant have double standard.

  4. @Slim

    I am not bothered much about spreading Islam or Islamism, but what concern me much is the extrimist points. Peopl if they want to choose accpet Islam, Christanity or Hindusim its up their own freedom. But you cant force anyone your views on others.

  5. Last year Christian school refused a girl entering in school becuase she was wearing hijab, so school authority refused her entry and given her warning that in school you not allowed to wear religious symbol. What happen after that its a joke, all Muslims organisation start shouting and complaining

    I am strongly of the view that muslims must NOT go to Christian schools. Yes It is a joke that muslims protesting abt christian school not allowing her. it is their school they have right to make rules. But does that mean that they asked the Nuns also to remove Head scarfs. After all Hijab in Islam is same dress that christian Nuns wear.

    WHY THESE DOUBLE STANDARDS.

    PS: Please provide me one single statement where Quran or Hadith promote extremism. Do just refer to what muslims are doing. Judge Islam by authentic sources i.e Quran and Hadith. Not by what muslims do.

  6. I know plenty of people who went to Catholic schools who were not forced to wear crosses or other religious symbols – nor were they forced to participate in prayer sessions. If they wanted to opt out, they went to study hall or had a free period. The comparison to nuns head wear to forcing students to wearing one symbolic of a different religion doesn’t wash. First of all, the nuns are teachers, not students, they are not wearing school uniforms. The topic is student uniforms. Even in catholic school the uniforms were not religious – usually plaid skirt and white shirt.

    This is a blatant attempt at muslimizing non-muslims. And using force whether subtle or obvious will only result in a blow up later down the line.

    And this is the type of incident that makes people turned off by muslims as it doesn’t consult a person’s free choice or agreement.
    WC

  7. “Judge Islam by authentic sources i.e Quran and Hadith. Not by what muslims do.”

    No, we will judge the Muslims (and Christians, Communists, Dictators, Charity workers, UN, US, etc) for WHAT they do and not what they say they should do.

    The Law and Courts judges people of their action not their words “Not guilty”.

  8. @Lizze

    Correct you are. Then why you guys keep mouthing about Islam is rdicalistic, promotes terrorism etc.

    This Indicates that you are actually judging Islam. Keep judging muslims, not Islam.

    If u want to judge Islam, go to Quran and Hadith.

  9. @writerchick
    I know plenty of people who went to Catholic schools who were not forced to wear crosses or other religious symbols – nor were they forced to participate in prayer sessions. If they wanted to opt out, they went to study hall or had a free period
    As far as wearing Hijab in Islam is concerned, it is clear cut that while in an Islamic(and by Islamic in mean governed by sharia, not just muslim majority) premise, school, society or state it is compulsory to have hijab, even for non muslims.

    Now tell me which Islamic school in the world is forcing non-muslims to offer Salah(Islamic prayer) 5 times a day.

    First of all, the nuns are teachers, not students, they are not wearing school uniforms
    what ekawaaz was refering to was due to a ban on religious symbols in France. I asked did they also ban Nuns from wearing those head gear. I do not know. I was asking. enlighten me.

    This is a blatant attempt at muslimizing non-muslims. And using force whether subtle or obvious will only result in a blow up later down the line.
    Yes, we are muslimizing non muslims. We are proud of this fact. Are not christian missionaries arround the world trying Christianizing non christian. Right here in Kashmir, Christian missionaries are paying thousands of rupees, giving them admissions in european universities if they just said they have converted to christianity.

    To tell u about Mother Teresa, my aunt was a great admirer of hers(and still is). She used to write letters to her. When Mother came to know that my aunt wanted to study medicine, she wrote to her if she(my aunt) converted to christianity, Mother would arrange her admission in Glasgow Medical University and that too without any entrance test or fees.

    And this is the type of incident that makes people turned off by muslims as it doesn’t consult a person’s free choice or agreement.
    Islam is not about free choices. It is our Lord, Creater and Sustainer who makes choice for us. HE gives us choice only where appropriate. A True Believing Muslim know and understands he does not have a choice of his own. Despite this fact Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World, and highest growth is in US and Eurpoe with more than 500 people reverting to Islam, daily. Best part is 65% of them are women. Same women who are subjugated, tortured and harassed by Islam. (coutesy CIA) World Fact Book). May I ask why?

    I hope you have heard of Yvvone Ridley. Why would a women subjugated, tourtured and harrassed by so called radical Islamists, Taliban, become a muslim. May I polotely ask why.

  10. @Nazim
    “Judge Islam by authentic sources i.e Quran and Hadith. Not by what muslims do..correct…”

    So why people complain about West, Europe and US and other non Islamic countries that they are having go with Islam? Books doesnt say? Papers doesnt say? Media doesnt say? so how come some people made of their mind and started saying that West and its allies having go with Islam?

    We as a human being judge the people by their actions not by their words. Action speak louder than words…

  11. @lizz

    You 200% right…

  12. People should be able to wear what they want.

  13. This is a very touchy debate.
    As regards Mother Teresa, there were plenty of people who pointed out that while she did provide a lot of help and relief, conversion was also her goal.
    Typically, it is very difficult to judge a theory / belief. To judge a religion by its holy books would anynow not be correct; what one needs to do is to judge the people who follow it, and even more so, when they follow it, what are the sort of actions that they take.
    There are fundamentalists in any religion, but if you scan the world’s media (including Arabic ones such as Aljazeera), a major part of the fear / terror is emnating from the Islamic world, including this terror being directed at other muslims.

  14. There is freedom of choice, and that choice is yours to make – simply don’t go to that school. What’s so difficult about this? If you don’t agree with the way a school does something, don’t go there.

    As for it being a religious symbol.. I’m sorry but that’s a load of crap. It may be a religious symbol to us, the naive Westerners, but in Islam, the headscarf worn by women is simply a way of modestly dressing and not showing off their beauty and charm. It’s about as much a religious ‘symbol’ as Jewish head caps, which are also worn for similar reasons – to show respect for their God.

    And really, if you went to a Jewish school, is it not reasonable to expect that they’d ask you to respect their customs? If you go to a Muslim mosque, do you refuse to take off your shoes because it’s a ‘religious symbol’?

    Seriously, you’re making something out of nothing. It’s their school, their rules – same as any other school. Big deal.

    By the way, quoting from The Sun?! Could you get your news from any scummier source?

  15. Freedom to practice and wear what one wants is very important.

  16. @politcs

    thats correct mate, every one should be free to wear what ever you want to wear, but same time dont force any one to war anything by saying its a dress, which normally sysmbolize religious symbol. Respect for each other

  17. Dear Julenka,

    thanks alot for sharing your views with us, I do appreciate your effort. YOu told me about reporting from sun, well mate this is my second report from Sun I dont use that paper much, but I do check it every day as this news is not been highlted in anyother news paper which is totaly media calculation so I choose to take it from sun. Second I am agree with your comments

    “Seriously, you’re making something out of nothing. It’s their school, their rules – same as any other school. Big deal”

    But question is why do they complain when authorities dont allow wearing Hijab in public schools?

  18. @juneja
    Thanks brother thats exactly what I was saying. I think people arround the world just want to make the issue out of anything related to muslims.

    @Apun Ka Desh
    @ekawaaz and others
    By freedom to wear anything do you mean, that tomorrow if your sisters, your mothers, your wives start moving topless in the market, you are going to do nothing to stop them. Since they have the choice to wear what ever they want or not wear anything at all.

  19. @Nazim

    You saying topless girl = girl with out wearing hijab? Thats what you meant to say? then Grow up man, look around and talk to your family memeber and find out the differance between it.

    As far as I am concerned including your sister and mother do know that differance between topless and Hijab. If you understand the point here what people trying to say that is let the people choose what they want to wear or not as long as its not against the public nonsense. You thank Juneja..did you understand what he meant to say

    you’re making something out of nothing. It’s their school, their rules – same as any other school. Big deal.

    So I am agree with this, their rule their society why should we complaining. If we dont like western custome then move on, western dont ask in Saudia Arabia to go for beach in swiming dress so why should we ask them to follow our custom. Let them do what they think is right, we should do for ourself what we think is right.

  20. @ekawaaz
    Now you go my point. U agree that going topless is a problem. And choice is limited if you are creating problems. Now take a look around you what women are wearing these days. Bikinis, Speghetti tops, tight jeans, minis etc. revealing their cleavage, thighs, belly etc. Don’t you think such dresses invite trouble. Now don’t tell me they dress for themselves and for their satisfaction. Such dresses are marketed as “sexy” and are meant to attract opposite sex. Don’t you think this is a problem.

    you’re making something out of nothing. It’s their school, their rules – same as any other school. Big deal.
    That is exactly what I have ben saying from the start. Read my comments again.

    So I am agree with this, their rule their society why should we complaining. If we dont like western custome then move on, western dont ask in Saudia Arabia to go for beach in swiming dress so why should we ask them to follow our custom. Let them do what they think is right, we should do for ourself what we think is right.
    Correct! but westerners are forcing Muslims into their mould. Scandinivian countries have changed their emigration rules. Now you got to prove that you are liberal. How, they will make you watch porn to see your reactions.

    The fight here is not Islam vs Christianity. If you read Bible, the rules for Hijab for men and women are same in Islam and Christianity. It is morality vs immorality. Having more boy friend and a girl friend is cool and hip in western culture. What has it to do with Christianity. It is the western media that is promoting the notion of “Us Vs Islam”.

    Being right and thinking right are two different things. While al the things in the world are relative, some things are still absolute. E.g. “lying is bad”, “truth”, “morality” etc. are absolute principles. So you can’t say “I am Truthful and I am right” and “you are lair and you are right as well”.

    Same is the case with dress. I challenge anyone, who shows me any major religion of the world with a concept of Morality, Hijab, Segregation of Sexes that is different than Islam.

  21. But question is why do they complain when authorities dont allow wearing Hijab in public schools?

    That’s a seperate issue altogether. I think the authorities should allow wearing the Hijab in public schools – same as they shouldn’t ban wearing of the headcap by Jewish boys. I would think our governments would be culturally sensitive enough to understand that some things like these are important to the wearers, and if they don’t cause any active harm, then they ought to be allowed.

    Think of this as an example: a girl wears a hijab to school and is in a technical construction class, where her hijab gets caught in a machine. Obviously then, she should have followed safety rules, same as other girls have to follow safety rules and keep their hair tied back to use those machines.

    Let’s use a bit of common sense here, alright?

  22. @julenka

    thanks for revisit. Well now you are contradicting your own views, in your previous comment you said

    “There is freedom of choice, and that choice is yours to make – simply don’t go to that school. What’s so difficult about this? If you don’t agree with the way a school does something, don’t go there”

    Now you saying “I think the authorities should allow wearing the Hijab in public schools ”

    you cant have both of the world mate. Rule should be equal for every one. Either they should give freedom of choice in all school as you suggested, mean in non islamic school.. people should be allowed to wear Hijab, and in Islamic school non muslim people should also have choice too Wear or Not to Wear. Right?

    We cant have one rule for one community and other rule for other community. Christians, Hindu, Sikhs, Muslims all are equal so every one got equal right and equal choice.

  23. @juneja
    You are 100% right brother as you seem to understand both sides well.

    @ekawaaz
    Juneja is no way contradicting himself. Pleas read his comment between the lines to understand his point. It is very subtle.

  24. Nazim, isn’t it obvious? Do I need to cite another source? And of what use would it be in citing an agnostic source? They’d try to play safe and just tell you the external details. It’s not news to anyone that a non-muslim cannot live in peace in Pakistan, or any islamic country for that matter. I’m not blaming every muslim, nor the religion, just the extremists who do shit in the name of Islam.

    Forcing someone to convert to another religion is plain stupid. You said “We ARE spreading it. Alhamdulliah. Allah is helping us at it. Islam is the fastest growing religion”. That sounds extremist. In the end, after we’re through with all this shit and reach hell, Satan (or whoever your version of The Devil maybe) will be laughing at our stupidity.

  25. @slim
    I think u are cross posting. from other post.

    How can you say that it is obvious, he was and is a star batsman for Pak. His position in team and society was in no way in danger. I feel you are just dejected by losing one more to Islam.

    That sounds extremist
    In that case, Do You mean to say Christian Missionaries are extremist as well.

  26. @Nazim

    @ekawaaz
    Juneja is no way contradicting himself. Pleas read his comment between the lines to understand his point. It is very subtle.

    I am say he i say he is contradicting his points read both his comments and explain , what I am geting wrong.

  27. @ekawaaz
    I don’t understand why you say so.

    What he means, is that it is their school, they can make rules there, how does it affect non-muslims outside that school. Non-muslims do not want to wear Hijab, do go to that school. SIMPLE.

    I see no difference it two comments

    @julenka
    Sorry brother, earlier got your name wrong.

  28. @Nazim

    Correct its their school so they can make their own law, if non muslims dont want to wear Hijab then dont go.

    So my question this rule should also be apply for other non muslims school, if non muslims school dont allow Hijab in their school then Muslims say why we cant wear Hijab its a secular country we got freedom of religion so we should be allowed to wear.

    You cant have both of the world. If you make compulsory for non muslims to wear Hijab if they choose to join your school, then its goes same with you. If you choose to join public school or convent school then you should not start crying if school authority ban Hijab in school campus. It is happening last year their was full of out cry for this. So tell me, how come his statement is not contradictory.

    First commenst he says

    “There is freedom of choice, and that choice is yours to make – simply don’t go to that school. What’s so difficult about this? If you don’t agree with the way a school does something, don’t go there”

    And in second statement
    “I think the authorities should allow wearing the Hijab in public schools -”

    you cant have both world.

  29. Actually, yes you can. 🙂

    Let me explain this out to you:

    Private schools are allowed to set whatever uniform they want. If students don’t like this uniform, they can simply choose to go to a different school.

    At public schools, there ought to be a uniform too, but apart from that, there should be enough cultural sensitivity to allow for Jewish people to wear their caps, Muslim people to wear hijabs, and others to express their own cultural customs that I may not be aware of. Obviously, this falls within reason, so like I mentioned in my previous post, a girl who’s hijab is causing danger to her while she’s in the workship, for example, ought to have to do something about that.

    Public schools are bound to be more sensitive to all cultures, as they are federal schools, and as such, should reflect federal laws and standards. Private schools can do whatever the hell they like, as long as they’re not actively breaking any laws.

    You see the difference now? It just gives greater freedom to private schools, and holds public schools accountable to the federal government they’re run by.

    By the way, I’m a ‘her’, not a ‘him’. 😉 Cheers.

  30. So my question this rule should also be apply for other non muslims school, if non muslims school dont allow Hijab in their school then Muslims say why we cant wear Hijab its a secular country we got freedom of religion so we should be allowed to wear.

    You cant have both of the world. If you make compulsory for non muslims to wear Hijab if they choose to join your school, then its goes same with you. If you choose to join public school or convent school then you should not start crying if school authority ban Hijab in school campus. It is happening last year their was full of out cry for this. So tell me, how come his statement is not contradictory.

    I’m sorry, but no.

    What it comes down to is that private schools can make their own rules, but public schools can’t. If public schools aren’t allowing women to wear the hijab, or at least some similar alternative, then I think they have every right to complain.

    But if they’re complaining about a private school not allowing the hijab.. well, sorry, but too bad. It reflects badly on the school itself for making such rules, but if they say you can’t wear a hijab at their private school, then you can’t. Go somewhere else.

    In the example I was giving, though, it wasn’t private school vs private school, but private school vs public school. And public schools do need to be held to standards, and ought to allow the hijab, or other similar cultural customs. They shouldn’t force everyone to wear a hijab, either. They should just allow for those that want to, to have the freedom to do so.

    Do you understand my point? 🙂

  31. @julenka,

    100% correct.

    @ekawaaz

    I hope you get it right now

  32. Seriously, you’re just trying to defend the extremists. And yes, ANYONE trying to push religion is extremist. ANYONE who takes pride in it is extremist.

  33. Come on guys…just cheer up. Life is short. Instead of fighting with each other, let’s all live in peace. Let’s love each other and stop hating. In every zamana there have been purists and terrorists. In the previous centuries, the christians killed each other and the jews. These days muslims have taken over the job. Let’s hate this hate. Religions came into being to guide everyone to the right path and love each other, but unfortunately more people have died in the name of religions everywhere and in every age. Let’s stop this nonsense and think about doing some good, helping the needy and feeding the hungry. Only then we will have a chance to go to heaven, if there is any…not by suicide bombing or attacking countries by lying to people that they are doing it for freedom.

  34. @Slim
    You mean to say Christian missionaries are TERRORISTS.

    @everyone
    Please go though this write up. This has not been written by any Muslim, but a christian. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061014/NEWS/610140394/1134

  35. ….and I respect all religions. I am also of the opinion that people should also respect other people’s culture etc.

  36. Seriously, you’re just trying to defend the extremists. And yes, ANYONE trying to push religion is extremist. ANYONE who takes pride in it is extremist.

    Was this directed at me? Because if so, then I have to say that it’s pretty clear you didn’t read any of what I just wrote.

    It’s not about pushing religion, but about having the freedom to express your religion. Take that away from people, and you’re taking away one of their basic human rights.

    That’s right. Human right. Freedom of religion is a human right protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.


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